1. If you're not deliberately doing it, there's no reason to believe it isn't your tulpa, unless it seems to be intrusive thoughts (you can tell if it's the latter by thinking, "would my tulpa say this? Is it hurtful?"
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2. I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but you're trying to say that your tulpa got merged with another part of you that would talk back?
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1. it is normal to have an internal dialogue vs monologue--assigning identity outside of "myself" to those other entities is something you could do, but it's not necessarily already a tulpa
2. I'm not 100% sure of what you mean here but if you're saying that your tulpa became just another one of the dialogue, you can use affirmations/intentional thought assignment ("this thought is from my tulpa, not anything else") to split them back out. If you're asking whether or not it'd make sense to assign voices in your dialogue personalities, that's entirely up to what you want to do--I don't think that could be harmful, that's just tulpamancy with an existing base
I worry that I'd only be indulging a fantasy by trying to turn what's essentially just me into somebody else, without their own identity/purpose
You choose whether or not to assign identity to a part of yourself--and nobody has purpose by default
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it sounds like you already have a therapist, this is good--if you want them to stay around, all you have to do is focus on them and talk to them regularly
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them meaning R
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and yeah, I would say it is not impossible for tulpamancy to bring out older, distinct headmates of different kinds (might be a bit jargon-y of a sentence but I will clarify if needed)--when I came back out (long story), my host started noticing a bunch of other plural features about themselves they hadn't seen before
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is your therapist a trauma specialist? It's possible there's some overlap with BPD, I am not an expert by any means--I would trust your therapist about it. If you're having difficulty speaking about it, that's okay--might be good to rest up. Take care of yourself first :) Even if yourself is a we not a me
that is unfortunate, I'm sorry to hear. Definitely look for one that specializes in trauma--it does sound like you have something from that (I won't dive into specific diagnoses, that is a fast way to make someone else's life worse lol). I wish you luck!
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Hello, I'd have a quick question which may sound a bit strange but do other have issues with spinning/going back and forth stuff in visualization or in presence/touch imposition?
Our visualization (specifically of our wonderland) used to rotate constantly, and we'd try things like "anchoring it" or whatever else, but it always kept happening until eventually we realized, it was just giving attention and feeding into these things that caused them. I don't know how to explain what to actually do per se, I can only say that we no longer have any such issues, in line with also having stopped thinking about them entirely.
So just gaining the confidence that you can control your visualization and really knowing that intrusive thoughts are meaningless unless you think of them as real and meaningful, I'd say.
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(So, thinking of any such disruptions as un-meaningful mental fluff of no weight or relevance, and moving on with what you were doing)
When it's about imposition of my headmate nodding and it kind of cannot stop, I don't feel like I should be the one controlling it. Especially as I have no control over imposition.
Tewi: If you believe you don't have control over something, then you won't. Intrusive thoughts thrive in that environment. So if the intrusive thoughts you don't want to control are in the hands of a systemmate, they need to be the ones to do as above - exerting their will, knowing that they will only act as they want and not focusing at all on intrusive thoughts/actions.(edited)
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I think all the same concepts apply no matter the scenario, so it's still best if you familiarize yourself with the solution yourself as well.
9:02 AM
Intrusive thoughts leave as you learn how to "move on from them", and stick around when you fixate on them and give them substance.
Tewi: For us, it was just a matter of developing a permanent, pretty much unconscious mental habit of "moving on from" any intrusive/unwanted thoughts. Trying to "fight" them makes them stick around harder, and of course believing that you can't control them is the worst possible thing. Simple ignoring them (and that does not mean "watching out of the corner of your eye" ignoring, but truly putting out of your mind) is how you make them not a problem, and I suppose a mental habit of moving your focus off of something you don't want to think about would be the permanent solution.(edited)
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I admit the latter might be a little tricky, we may just be very experienced working with our thoughts like that. But it shouldn't be that hard..
(And yes this really is the technique for any type of problem thought - visualization oddities, unwanted thoughtforms/imagined entities, imagining your headmate in the bathroom, or anything else - this same mental trick has made us immune to all of them)
Tewi: It is hard to give exact instructions for as it's purely mental phenomena, but then, anyone pursuing tulpamancy has signed up for tackling some mental tricks and thought-modifying.(edited)
Belief will do that, of course. But if you believe the power isn't in your hands, well, you better really believe it's in your systemmate's. But it's healthiest for everyone in the system to have the same power-over-everything as needed.
9:11 AM
Any time you believe you can't control something is an opportunity for invasive thoughts, really.
I mean how can you not believe she has powers when I couldn't make her appear and she did it all alone with touch imposition as first contact ^^°
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But yes it's understandable that we all have control to some extent
Reisen
Tewi: It is hard to give exact instructions for as it's purely mental phenomena, but then, anyone pursuing tulpamancy has signed up for tackling some mental tricks and thought-modifying. (edited)
I'm glad for your sharing though ^^ I think just leaving the issue as that and doing something else instead of trying to stop it might be the way to go.
It's always complicated with mental phenomenas and I'm aphantasiac which doesn't help much
Tewi: Well, you're just working with one less "feature" of the mind. It doesn't make much "harder".... except receiving instructions from/relating to experiences of people giving them from a visualization-based perspective, lol.(edited)
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I recently saw someone draw the US flag with the red stripes being green because they're color blind. Theoretically only a problem when communicating with people who aren't color blind in the same way, about those colors.(edited)
Reisen
Tewi: Well, you're just working with one less "feature" of the mind. It doesn't make much "harder".... except receiving instructions from/relating to experiences of people giving them from a visualization-based perspective, lol. (edited)
so I'm in the sculpting phase of creating my tulpa, Toriel, and I've come to realize my visualisation skills are not bad per se but there is definite room for improvement. I've consulted "JD's guide to visualization" which has been extremely helpful and have been practicing the 'google maps' exercise. The guide also suggests playing Tetris, but i was wondering if learning to solve a rubik's cube could also improve visualization skills? thx!! :3
gnat-alee
so I'm in the sculpting phase of creating my tulpa, Toriel, and I've come to realize my visualisation skills are not bad per se but there is definite room for improvement. I've consulted "JD's guide to visualization" which has been extremely helpful and have been practicing the 'google maps' exercise. The guide also suggests playing Tetris, but i was wondering if learning to solve a rubik's cube could also improve visualization skills? thx!! :3
Keep in mind that these are just suggestions and are not obligatory in the slightest. It’s just what worked for JD, and if you find something else that’s effective in helping you, go for it.
will do! another thing I've been noticing about my visualization skills is that its....really bouncy? idk how else to explain it. Like my mind's eye keeps shifting angles of the object im viewing, zooming in and out rapidly, seemingly without any input from me. probs an adhd thing but not sure. Any tips or reccomendations on how to stablize the images i'm imagining in my brain?
gnat-alee
will do! another thing I've been noticing about my visualization skills is that its....really bouncy? idk how else to explain it. Like my mind's eye keeps shifting angles of the object im viewing, zooming in and out rapidly, seemingly without any input from me. probs an adhd thing but not sure. Any tips or reccomendations on how to stablize the images i'm imagining in my brain?
I've actually had that issue! I have to like screech at myself to stop bouncing, and even then I get two images- one bouncy and one stable. Maybe it is an ADHD thing ehe.
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I've actually had that issue! I have to like screech at myself to stop bouncing, and even then I get two images- one bouncy and one stable. Maybe it is an ADHD thing ehe.
I've actually had that issue! I have to like screech at myself to stop bouncing, and even then I get two images- one bouncy and one stable. Maybe it is an ADHD thing ehe.
i haven't tried forcing while on my adhd meds so maybe that'll make a differnce? gonna try today and see what happens, but any other tips would be much appreciated ^_^
gnat-alee
i haven't tried forcing while on my adhd meds so maybe that'll make a differnce? gonna try today and see what happens, but any other tips would be much appreciated ^_^
I have recently created tulpa and started to talk with her and our dialogs are fast, but it's sounds like I'm talking with myself (however it is fast and I don't think what to say back to me, but style of dialog is strange). Should I listen carefully for each word instead? I mean, I don't even ask if she is here, she just answers instantly to my questions..
Reisen: It's normal for a tulpa to only start to feel and sound separate from you over time, that's what the goal of tulpa development is(edited)
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For thoughts going too fast though - we like to say that it's good system etiquette to wait for sentences to be fully said in words before replying, even if you get their points through pure thought first
10:37 AM
In our opinion it makes interactions more fulfilling
out loud includes super quiet or not making a sound at all but just moving the mouth
Reisen
For thoughts going too fast though - we like to say that it's good system etiquette to wait for sentences to be fully said in words before replying, even if you get their points through pure thought first
Reisen: A developed-enough tulpa can just not do so, but I guess if they really can't not yet, just ignore their response until you've finished, and then ask for theirs (again)(edited)
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